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2012 Election Discussion Group


2012 Election Discussion Group

The 2012 election cycle has started with the Iowa Straw Poll.  This group will follow candidates in national, State and local elections and this is the place to vent, share, discuss, and cuss......

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Latest Activity: Dec 27, 2012


What the hell happened???  Lots of things and the following are comments made by Tea Party Groups around the country:

From Jenny Beth Martin:

The Tea Party Patriots organization blasted Mitt Romney for his election loss, saying the former Massachusetts governor was defeated because he was a “weak moderate.’’

The Patriots — one of the most vocal activist components of the tea party movement — added that Romney had been “handpicked’’ by Washington’s GOP establishment.

"For those of us who believe that America, as founded, is the greatest country in the history of the world — a ‘shining city upon a hill’ — we wanted someone who would fight for us," Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator of the Patriots, told supporters in a statement Tuesday night, quoting Ronald Reagan.

"We wanted a fighter like Ronald Reagan who boldly championed America's founding principles,’’ she said. “What we got was a weak moderate candidate handpicked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party. The presidential loss is unequivocally on them."

Martin called Romney’s defeat “a catastrophic loss’’ and said her group will continue to fight government waste.

“Our work begins again today,’’ she said. “We will turn our attention back to Congress, to fight the battles that lie ahead including balancing the budget, repealing Obamacare, cutting the debt, holding the line on the debt ceiling, and the many other issues that will arise to threaten America.”

These comments caused a little back lash from other groups and here is her in depth explanation of why she said what she did:
This is not about Romney it is about the GOP establishment. 
At the specific request of Ron, Joy, and Jen after the GOP convention I did my best to tamp down the outrage our supporters felt about the establishment who changed the GOP rules so the next nominee can choose who delegates and alternates are to the convention, who could not even utter the words "tea party" the entire week (including asking Allen West to be quiet about us), and who are the ones who have made deals repeatedly to get us to the point where we are $16 trillion in debt. 
This same establishment spend the last 8 days of the campaign while you guys were out volunteering without sleep to get out the vote bashing us and setting the narrative that the tea party is dead and cost them the election (before Election Day). The establishment has done all it can to destroy our movement.
While the establishment had time to write op-eds and start a narrative blaming you for their loss, Linda Dorr had a lady who had a mild stroke and then was back volunteering to make phone calls into Ohio 2 weeks after the stroke. Pam's group in Palm Beach County delivered poll watcher when the GOP and the campaign could not get them. Amy, Marianne, and Ralph have beat their heads against a brick wall dealing with the establishment in Ohio for the last 3 years. The list goes on and and on.
John Boehner is ready to help Obama succeed and is already folding in tax increases - before Obama and Democrats in the Senate even get to the table. The establishment - after you who are active in this movement handed the GOP the largest victory either party saw in over 60 years - has failed to cut one single spending from the total government spending.
The establishment is failing not just us but our entire country. We all did what we had to do to get out the vote this election cycle. I'll be damned if I let the establishment blame you guys for their loss. 
You can be angry at me for defending you and our supporters all you want. I won't apologize or it and I won't back down.
You ARE the last best hope for America and I'll keep fighting with each and everyone of you to restore our Constitution until we get the job done.
From Michael Hintze, Wisconsin State Coordinator, excellent assessment.

Post Mortem

                We lost. That is the cold hard reality of the election. We lost. That is the fact we must be willing to face squarely and admit to ourselves. We lost. We must not sugarcoat the results, make excuses, or whine about how unfairly the mainstream media behaved. In order to have any hope of recovery, any hope of rising from the ashes, any hope of again becoming the great people the people of this country once were, we must come to grips with the one central and undeniable fact of the election—we lost.


                The first step to solving a problem is admitting that you have one. You can never solve a problem while you continue to deny that one exists. That behavior is better suited to an ostrich than to a thinking human. Our problem is not in the what, we lost, but in the why—what did we leave undone, what did we do wrong, and who did we fail to reach?


                My answers to those questions are as follows:


1.       We failed to reach out in a meaningful way to the Black and Hispanic/Latino minority communities. Both communities voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Why? We had no message to which they could relate, and the message we did have was delivered by people they did not trust. What is the cause of that lack of trust? We only show up at election time. Drive-by electioneering does not, and will not, work. If we want to win, we must first let them get to know us as fellow humans who have challenges in life, too. Different challenges, perhaps, but challenges nevertheless. More than that, however, we must be among them on a daily basis so that when we say we understand their problems and believe we have the best policies to help them overcome, we can do so credibly. To borrow an overused phrase, we need “street cred.”

2.       In the face of all Obama has done that jars the consciences of Roman Catholics and Evangelical Christians alike, and all he has done to destroy one of our most cherished human rights—freedom of religion—far more of them voted for Obama than were expected. Why? Such a result is the misbegotten result of the Left’s having convinced far too many that freedom of religion means freedom from religion; that religion has no place in public discourse or the making of public policy. Far too many have become convinced that when you go to vote, you need to park your faith at the door—that your faith and your beliefs have no place at the ballot box. Nothing could be more obnoxious than the perversity of that way of thinking. In truth, there is no more important place to bring your faith than to the ballot box.

I do not mean that Roman Catholics should only vote for Roman Catholic, Lutherans only for Lutheran, Greek Orthodox only for Greek Orthodox, or Christian Reformed Church members only for Christian Reformed candidates. What I do mean is that one should ignore the candidate’s religion or lack thereof, but one SHOULD evaluate each candidate’s policies and positions on the issues in light of one’s religious beliefs.

We must find a way to let Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Christian Reformed, Greek Orthodox, and members of any other denomination or religion that it is not only okay, but virtually a requirement that they bring their consciences and their religious beliefs into the polling place and vote according to the dictates of those beliefs. One woman, who told me that she is a Methodist, also told me that she did not feel she had the right to impose her religious beliefs on others, and so voted for Obama. There is something very wrong with that way of thinking.

Further, having communicated that they need not park their faith at the door of the polling place, we must show them that our policies and programs neither threaten their faith nor run afoul of their consciences.

3.       We need to stop apologizing for who we are and what we believe. We must have the courage of our convictions; stop worrying about what the press will say about us, and stand tall and strong in the face of every polemical attack. One of Romney’s biggest mistakes was not his comment about the 47%; it was that having made the comment, he ran away from it as fast as he could. The old adage that one should “say what you mean and mean what you say” applies. Having made the comment, he should have embraced it, explained it, defended it, and made it a part of his campaign. Instead, he attempted damage control, and only made the damage worse. He was weak and vacillating when he should have been stalwart and strong.

4.       Once again, we lost the youth vote. Given the burden of debt, loss of opportunity, and smaller chances of success that Democrat policies inflict on the youngest members of our society, the young should be natural constituents of conservative politicians. Why do we fail? We keep nominating old white guys with whom they have little or nothing in common, and to whom they cannot relate. Instead of nominating someone about whom they can become excited, we nominate people more likely to put them to sleep. We don’t even speak their language, how can we expect them to hear what we are saying?

5.       Once again, many of our candidates campaigned so as not to lose, when they should have been campaigning to win. Nobody will rally around someone whose campaign style appears designed so as not to offend, when it should be about why the sacrifices and suspension of disbelief for which the candidate is asking will be better for the voter and the country in the long run—and the long run is the only vantage point from which to view any proposal or policy.

6.       Finally, we must do a MUCH better job of vetting our candidates. No more candidates who cannot put together a coherent sentence. No more candidates who know everything about one issue, and nothing about any other. No more candidates who are afraid to get into the ring and mix it up. And perhaps most importantly, no more candidates who will not state the truth and require an explanation of an opponent because to do so would be “mean.”

What do we do? We fight! For as long as it takes—we fight! From now until victory is won—we fight! By day and by night—we fight! Spring, Summer, Winter and Fall—we fight! We shall never submit and never surrender—we fight on!


Discussion Forum

90% of Incumbents Re-Elected How Stupid are the Voters??

Started by Joanne C Daley. Last reply by j fredenburgh Dec 13, 2012. 1 Reply

with a less than 10% approval rating 90% of the incumbents were returned to Congress.  This IS insanity. You get the government you deserve!!  Voters Throw Bums In While Holding Congress in DisdainBy…Continue

Tags: insanity, reelected, incumbents

How To Inprove the Election Process -- Make It ALL Mail In Ballots!!??

Started by Joanne C Daley. Last reply by Joanne C Daley Dec 4, 2012. 4 Replies

I really thought this guy was describing the election debacle and offering some places to focus on that we had discussed earlier today in the meeting but then I got to the end: Election reforms…Continue

Tags: suggestions, solutions, reforms, 2012, election

Slay the Beast

Started by Joanne C Daley. Last reply by j fredenburgh Dec 3, 2012. 2 Replies

What are the next steps now that the election is over?? good question.  Unless and until we understand what happened we can't go forward without making the same mistakes again.   We have done the…Continue

Tags: legislators, media, churches, reform, heart

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Comment by j fredenburgh on December 27, 2012 at 8:59pm

We focus local...only thing we can do. Just saw that IRC is saying they do NOT want to answer questions in court about their decisions.  I have the SV Herald article.  Taxes are going UP 2013, and then obama will lower just before 2014 or 2016 to ensure democrat the meantime the economy will suffer or collapse.  Boehner will cave on the debt ceiling...seems like at this point the HOUSE should say NO period, and let the whole house of cards collapse, default on debt and let Obama OWN it.

Comment by Joanne C Daley on December 27, 2012 at 7:35pm

 The most important election of our lifetimes is over and freedom and liberty were voted away.  I personally don't understand how this election came to the end that it did with the final polls and the momentum of Romney and how Obama was falling flat at every  event for the last three weeks did a 180 at the last minute.

Final results will not really be determined until Friday on some offices because they are close and the provisional ballots need to be counted and verified.  Current results can be found here:


Comment by j fredenburgh on December 4, 2012 at 8:46am

The more the national republican party does the less likely I am to remain a republican....the ONLY reason is so data is available to use to actually elect conservatives.  I made the call....stayed on hold 10 minutes; left a message - REINSTATE conservatives.

Comment by Joanne C Daley on December 4, 2012 at 12:37am

Elections have consequences:  In the final days before the start of a new Congress, John Boehner and the Republican establishment is quietly purging crucial House committees of strong fiscal conservatives, including:

Rep. Tim Huelskamp (KS) - House Budget Committee (96% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating)

Rep. Justin Amash (MI) – House Budget Committee (100% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating)

Rep. David Schweikert (AZ) – House Financial Services (96% FreedomWorks Lifetime Rating)

These three principled legislators have stood with the Constitution even when it was unpopular to do so. Their dedication to the principles of lower taxes and limited government is now being punished by a Speaker who would rather concede to the big spenders in Congress instead of making the tough choices.

Call John Boehner and tell him to restore these genuine fiscal conservatives to their respective committees.  202-225-6205

Comment by j fredenburgh on October 7, 2012 at 1:29pm

maybe NOT.  i just went back out to see what was going on on the site and it says 'you've made your selection' which part of the website was most helpful.  i didn't do anything the first they just decided on THEIR OWN to log me as a fleming vote.

Comment by Joanne C Daley on October 7, 2012 at 12:47pm

the not so funny part is that these are the people who are voting!!!  OMG!!!!

Comment by j fredenburgh on October 7, 2012 at 8:18am

Now if they could learnnn tooooo speellll....Oh I sound like a progressive!  So nice to C ''. supporting ms. fleming.

Comment by Joanne C Daley on October 6, 2012 at 10:26pm

How will the Progressives vote in Nov??  No secret, here it


This is funny, click on all the "see details"  hysterical!!  How stupid can they get??  you have no idea!!

Comment by Joanne C Daley on October 5, 2012 at 11:20pm


Comment by j fredenburgh on September 5, 2012 at 10:38pm

Can't get our governor to sign something related to restricting unions, but at least we won this one.  Saw this on either twitter or FB earlier today...yeah!


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